by 神秘人 at 2020-08-10

What are some things that exist in the Chinese tech ecosystem that don't exist in the west and vice versa?



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Ariel Kino Answered 7h ago Most of China's tech is built on western infrastructure. Its machines use languages and operating systems and its network web and IP communications use protocols developed in the West. Most apps use libraries developed internationally and businesses like Huawei compete internationally by offering the same types of services as Cisco AWS. Fundamentally tech is ubiquitous and all ecosystems are made of the same stuff.


But China is weak on enterprise level software and doesn't have institutions like Oracle IBM or Cisco and will not let them enter the market (without giving up their source codes). Therefore it relies more on open source solutions. Its funding ecosystem is also based on the same financial principles adopted internationally - private and public sector investment in a nutshell.

但中国的企业级软件水平较弱,没有像甲骨文(Oracle)、IBM或思科(Cisco)这样的机构,也不会让他们进入(软件)市场(除非甲骨文或思科放弃他们的源代码)。因此它更依赖于开源解决方案。 其融资生态系统也是基于同样的国际金融原理——简单来讲就是私人和公共部门的投资。

R&D budgets are also comparative and set to overtake the US within the next decade (Science and technology in China - Wikipedia). but its trajectory follows the same path as the US (AI material sciences etc.). Many software developers would feel at home. However applications are different due to UI and microservice combinations which are customised for the Chinese market but will probably be copied by other countries soon.

此外,研发预算也可以进行比较,其将在未来十年内超越美国(中国的科学技术——维基百科)。但其轨迹与美国(人工智能材料科学等)相同。 许多软件开发人员会有身处其国内的感觉。 然而,由于为中国市场量身定制的UI和微服务组合的不同,其应用程序也是不同的,且可能很快就会被其他国家复制。

Are these differences significant enough to produce a new technology paradigm? Will China produce a different brand of singularity? It depends on whether you believe technology is a unifying force or can be bifurcated and whether China is capable of bifurcation. I personally don't think it will or can.



Paul Denlinger Worked at Sina.com North America in 1998 1999 Been in China mostly since then. Have friends colleagues wo... Answered 19h ago This question needs to be rephrased somewhat differently it is not “what China has”; it is more about “what China does”.


In terms of technology the Internet in China and the US have the same things. All have the same technology. The difference lies in “what China does”. In this what I am referring to is business model innovation. China’s Internet business models are fundamentally different from the US’s.

在科学技术层面, 中国和美国有着相同的互联网。我们拥有相同的技术,而差异则在于“中国干了什么”,在这里我指的是商业模式创新。中国的互联网商业模式和美国的存在根本性差别。

First of all let’s take a look at the BAT companies or the three leading companies which dominate the China Internet landscape: Baidu Alibaba and Tencent. Baidu is the leading Chinese-language search engine and is similar to Google in its product offerings and business models. Alibaba started out as a consulting service to small businesses in China helping them to get on the Internet. Out of this developed the Alibaba commerce platform and Tmall which is a storefront for businesses. Tencent is the most different it is an online community which started out by offering a real-time communications tool or chat.


Now think about this carefully and compare it with the Internet in Silicon Valley. Which successful US companies started out by offering real-time chat and then expanded? The answer is that there are none. In the US real-time chat was offered as a feature on MSN Yahoo and AOL (AOL is phasing out their AOL Instant Messenger service at the end of 2017) but it never became its own stand-alone product. No company in the US ever considered making real-time chat the basic tool for starting a company or offering it as its main product.


How did Tencent become successful with real-time chat when chat could not stand on its own two legs in the US? In 2000 the Chinese government created a new state-owned enterprise to promote mobile communications called China Mobile. China Mobile had all the pipes but it did not have the content. It needed content partners to provide the content.

当即时通讯在美国已经没办法维持下去了,腾讯如何能靠实现即时聊天取得成功? 2000年,中国创建了一个以推动移动通信的新的国有企业——移动通信。中国移动拥有所有的渠道,但没有资源。它需要合作伙伴提供资源。

Starting in 2001 it launched a promotion plan called the Mobile Dream Internet which targeted the major Internet content providers which included Tencent. Basically the plan was to charge mobile users on a per-message basis with 85 percent of the revenue going to the content provider and China Mobile keeping only 15 percent. China Mobile would handle all the billing.


This plan ran from 2001 to 2005 at which point China Mobile changed to a 50/50 split with the service providers. Some of the content providers entirely left the field (Netease) while others went into gray area services (TOM).


Remember that this period coincides with the Internet crash of 2000 which badly affected all Internet companies around the world. The China Mobile Mobile Dream Internet plan was aimed at helping Chinese Internet companies which had recently gone public on Nasdaq the legs to survive the Internet winter and it was also aimed at promoting mobile phones and mobile phone communications years before Apple had revolutionized the mobile phone industry through the introduction of the iPhone in 2007.


Now if you look at this China experience from 2001 to 2005 and you are from Silicon Valley one thing should stand out for this period. China’s plan to rescue the China Internet companies and jump-start the mobile phone industry did not include advertising revenue.


Compare this to the US where most Internet companies which offer free services such as Google Facebook and Instagram are heavily dependent on ad revenue to sustain their companies and set their company valuations.


This brings us to an important point about the Chinese Internet and its business models which makes it fundamentally different from the US: The Chinese Internet has much more diversity when it comes to revenue sources and income than the US Internet which is still heavily dependent on advertising revenue and has been unable to break out of that dependence on advertising.


Let us take a closer look at another very successful Tencent ecosystem WeChat. It now has more than 700 million active users and is the first app most Chinese open in the morning and the last one they check at night. It has created its own internal ecosystem where users can become content providers offering their product and services directly to other WeChat users. Unlike podcasts in the US they can offer their broadcasts to other WeChat users on a subscxtion basis with Tencent taking a small portion while the content creator takes the larger amount.


Multiply these numbers by China subscriber numbers and you can see why WeChat has created new Internet millionaires like Papi Jiang - Wikipedia who have become US$ millionaires based on their following in Chinese social media. Compare this to the US Internet where the people who become wealthy on the Internet are usually technical people and VCs. In simple terms if you have a special skill and can get a following in China you can grow because of social media and build your fortune based on the power of social media in China without depending on the state-owned Chinese official media or becoming a programmer or VC.


This would be very difficult to do in the US because of the stranglehold the advertising industry has on media. In the US it is almost impossible to grow without depending on advertising but in China it is very possible. In fact many Chinese content and entertainment expansion plans for China do not even include advertising revenue projections. This would be unthinkable in the US.


This brings us to another blind spot about the US: when Americans talk about innovation they usually refer to what Silicon Valley does best technology innovation. However China has done something which the US has been very weak at business model innovation. Unfortunately most Americans do not even know that this very different story has existed.


For China and for the developing world business model innovation is more important than technology innovation. Flexibility in the field of business model innovation has explained why Chinese companies such as Xiaomi Alibaba and Tencent have been able to aggressively expand in markets such as India Africa and Southeast Asia.


Business model innovation is firmly tied in with language culture and each nation’s own development model and experience. The reason many American Internet and technology companies have failed in China is not because the Chinese have copied their technology or because of Chinese government interference but because the Americans stuck too stubbornly with business models which worked in the US but would not work in China because conditions in China were different.


Tencent took real-time communications and adapted it to fit into China’s environment. (Technical changes were made to the program to make it work for the Chinese users of the time but I will not write about those here because it would make this answer too long.) Then Tencent completely changed the business model for it to make it work in China and to make the company profitable after only three years. And none of the company’s revenue in its first three years came from advertising.


This would be unthinkable in the US.


If you have more interest in this subject I am writing a book about the Chinese Internet and Chinese business model innovation which will come out in the first half of 2018. Stay tuned.


John Morris Media Services Technician at Thales Group (2014-present) Answered 16h ago WeChat. I’ve spent some time in China and have observed the versatility of this app. It has no equivalent in the western world but it’s kind of like whatsapp PayPal a mobile wallet Facebook and Craigslist all rolled into one. You can even carry your ID on it so you don’t really have to leave the house with anything except your phone. I have been frustrated with Apple Pay lately because the near field connection is so finicky and half the time it doesn’t work when I’m trying to pay for something. In China you can attach credit cards and a cash balance to your WeChat and pay for things by scanning a QR code at the point of sale. This to me makes for a much better system as even a street merchant can slap a QR sticker on their cart with no need for expensive and complex NFC machines and unlike NFC it can’t be spoofed as easily. Looking for a job? You can check the WeChat message boards without having to worry as much about dealing with trolls and predators like you do on Craigslist which I grant is more of a cultural than a technical thing but I digress. Now I see Facebook messenger and whatsapp attempting to emulate some of WeChat’s features without success. I’ve heard rumors that some merchants in California are accepting WeChat pay now; I’d be interested to see if it’s true.

微信。 我在中国度过了一段时间,并观察到了这个软件的多功能性。在西方世界没有任何与此等同的东西,但它有点像是 whatsapp、 PayPal 、移动钱包、Facebook和Craigslist融合在一起的东西。你甚至可以只携带你的身份证,所以出门的时候除了手机之外其它什么也不必带。最近我对Apple Pay有点失望,因为连近距离连接都难以实现,而当我想买东西时,一半的时间它都用不了。在中国,您可以在WeChat上绑定你的信用卡和存储现金,并通过在销售点扫描二维码来支付费用。这对我来说是一个更好用的系统,即使一个街头商人可以将其二维码贴在他们的移动零售车上(以供人们扫码支付)而不需要使用昂贵和复杂的NFC机器,且它不像NFC那样容易欺骗他们。想找工作?您可以在WeChat留言板咨询,且不用担心自己像在Craigslist上那样碰到骗子,我保证微信让你感觉的更多的是一个文化(交流)而不是让我离题万里的技术性的东西。现在我看到Facebook、Messenger和whatsapp在试图模仿一些WeChat的功能却没有成功。有谣传说,加利福尼亚的一些商人现在正在接受微信支付服务;我有兴趣看看这是否是真的。